Short story while I have enough clear head to write. Passenger in car in 81, struck by drunk driver, my fiance' (driver) killed. Me smashed liver, head injuries, broken ribs etc the normal stuff from a major MVA. 2 week's ICU 5 months ward ACC accepted claim etc, back to work 6 months post accident. problem back starts to really hurt. Why not in hospital - cause had enough morphine to knock a horse out only felt it once weened self off meds. Has many treatments through the years including some accidents (twisted back, landed on butt etc) any way point. ACC accepted original claim but now can't find any original records and only have record of my smashed liver. Accepted another calim for my back last year and again this when it went out during work, turns out have spondylolisthesis. thats fine understand all that. They recon its degenerative so now do not have to cover, GP says well the MVA kicked it off, their medical review person says age related degenerative so all entitlments stopped including the surgical request (which is kinda urgent cause i can't move, let alone sleep) any way yes going to reveiw and all that but am really lost. Advice any one please. There is no evidnec I had a bad back before my MVA but plenty since it.

Thats ACC record keeping for you..

At least ACC have a record of your original accident (good start).. The unfortunate part being that only the major damage.. ie primary treatment showing surgery for liver is recorded.

Accident date of 1981 also means there (should) have been lump sum payment & presumably assessments for lump sum so maybe your back was assessed then too.

A complete copy of your ACC file is a first ask.. Including schedule of claim expenses..

It is quite possible that the hospital you were treated at has a copy of your records in their archives.. You are well within your rights to ask for a copy.

Again ask other treatment providers you have seen over the years ie physios etc. They may also have records.

So at present the main task is information gathering.. Possibly your own medical records have old treatment payments from ACC.

Yes its a daunting task especially when your unable to function normally because of pain/meds..

Small steps at time..

Also there are some very good orthopaedic specialists that don't tolerate the ACC bullshit..

If you'd care to share your location.. (off board via personal Message) if you wish we may well be able to point you to proper experts not the noddies ACC use.

cheers for that have wife has been down and requested full copies of everying on file from ACC - they told her anything over 10 years old will have been distroyed.... (she has fully authority for me as i just loose it in there with them)
Yes did have a lump sum will be doing full "house search for all documents"
Have been to GP, chiro etc and yes have some receipts etc going back to 85 so far including some copies of the really old ACC claim forms
area is Rotovegas
Spec today who is ACC was ok but not that helpful (SA - does not understand ACC wording requirements or logic)
Any spec's you know in area who are more helpful than the ACC ones would be much appriciated.
Interstingly the branch med advisor who has declined my back is a GP.....and does not know that there are many types of spondy let alone grades etc as well as causes.
If my post are not altogether right I apologise pain over takes brain at times and 'she' gives me the zombie drugs when I get to bad, not going to comment any more on that.
Just another insult if you like have letter 31/10/08 saying longer intitled to support from acc then today get one saying here is a copy of your geeting back to an very day life dated and signed by case manger 4/11/08
Confused?

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Interstingly the branch med advisor who has declined my back is a GP

ACC declined your claim? On the advice of a BMA? who has not even consulted with you as a patient?

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Accepted another calim for my back last year and again this when it went out during work

hmmm.. ACC have sent you too a specialist then? Bit remiss if they havent..

Hopefully A waikato or BOP member will recommend a localish specialist.. Its obviously very painfull if your having to travel.

Otherwise Peter Robinson at Mercy Hospital Epson has also been highly recommended... He also likes MRI See if it can be arranged for an MRI SCAN on same day of appointment.. Saves travelling.

Acc did send me to a specialist who would not say yes or no to cause but probably accident, (spondy can exist in all of us but rarely plays up unless insulted eg your fall, twist, bend etc too far)so then they got another spec to look at the paper work he did meet me hahahaha shock my hand and that was about as much of an exam as he did although he said in his report he did examine me ( had witness so can prove he lied) any way in his report he took key words from others into his report ( out of context) but he not say the actual cause of injury ( love the buck shoving) and way decline based on that letter then when fell on butt due to legs not working from spondy probs medical advisor at branch declines new accident (I have never met him) based on old spec letter and declined surgery before even getting latest ACC spec letter which states pain from spondy - from accident.
I have 2 MRI's one July 07 new one 2 weeks ago, I keep the films and reports with me as stuff keeps 'getting lost in the system'. Travelling to Auckland is ok if I take it slow (have large wagon so can lay down)
When I read the letters again they all kind of contradict each other, don't quote what part of act they are being issued under or exactly how the descions were made. I feel very hopeless as I physically can't do much and I am not clear headed enough ( usually pain not meds or lack of sleep) to understand everything properly
Chiro mentioned Gavin Cowley in Hamilton has any one heard of this spec?? (see chiro 3 times a week as he atleast gives me some relief for a few hours

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Acc did send me to a specialist who would not say yes or no to cause but probably accident

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they got another spec to look at the paper work he did meet me hahahaha shock my hand and that was about as much of an exam as he did although he said in his report he did examine me ( had witness so can prove he lied)

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but he not say the actual cause of injury

Yes ACC tried and tested method of dis entitling valid claims.

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I have 2 MRI's one July 07 new one 2 weeks ago, I keep the films and reports with me as stuff keeps 'getting lost in the system'.

ACC seems to loose an awfull lot of stuff relating to claimants injuries!

There is a definitive test that ACC has to accept that will show spinal injury as a result of an accident. Just ask your GP to arrange it for your injuries.. ie L2,L3,L4 etc becoz he'll know what they are.

Ok this test is definitive for people with cervical and lumbar injuries applying for lumpsum/independance allowance so It may well prove beneeficial to apply for independance allowance as well.. especially if you had no lumpsum payout from your original injury..

With a change of government looking EVER SO slightly possible tomorrow one would wonder just what steps are being taken to prevent evidence of fraud within ACC and other quazi un accountabull government agencies over last 9 years being destroyed.

Wonder what colur the smoke from your local government agency office chimeny is today?

White for no longer holding such information or black for SHIT! PANIC! Key maY GET IN AND SLAP DOWN ON FRAUD JUST A TAD!

rumour was that locally staff removed all causal evidence from many files and stored it seperately.

When it looked as though they would be found out they quickly burnt the entire contents of the cupboard completely changing a lot of client identities.

So at a guess if things do change tomorrow a lot of injured people will find they also have niew identities

Not my file not my Problem, let them bury themselves as they try and cover thier tracks.

Seems such does work well.

thanks Mr Millar!

Shit hot! arrogant nasty Cullen's run for it, and Clarke just what Fraud went in that they ran so fast hunt them down!

Shows where the directions to destroy client identities and records came from

Time for a full fraud investigation into actions of ACC staff under Labour!

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[quote]Shit hot! arrogant nasty Cullen's run for it, and Clarke just what Fraud went in that they ran so fast hunt them down!

Shows where the directions to destroy client identities and records came from (end quote)


Are you serious? I hope you are just joking.

The world doesn't entirely revolve around ACC problems.

All legal avenues should be pursued to bring those hwo changed Client identities and altered or destroyed files to justice and any evidence that such has happened must be researched and those responsible brought to task.

While Clark and cullen were in control they made damn sure such could not happen and many many people have had their lives completely destroyed.

Hunt them don through legal channels and make sure such crimes against humanity cannot be repeated.

No the world does not revolve around ACC problems but problems of the type which have occured since 1998 MUST be recognised and never allowed to happen again.